Friday, June 8, 2012
Check Valve
Today I worked for an hour or so adding a swing check valve upstream of the three way valve. The top of my storage tank has a nice spattering of solder. It relies on gravity to stay closed when water is not flowing in from the cold supply. Like the double wall on the heat exchanger, this is another system component that ensures that water will never work backward into the city water supply. The unsoldered 90 between the labelled ball valve and check valve will actually be a couple 45's which will clear a the upper vent pipe in the background without resorting to 180 degrees of bends. The less pressure drop around this system, the better!
Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Valve Manifold
Last night I started plumbing in valves and pipe on the top of the SunEarth 80 gallon storage tank. I took it slow as making a mistake here would be messy and slow to undo. I cut and pieced together all the fittings, sliding the tank back against the wall to make sure that the manifold cleared the 4" vent pipe that it needs to fit beneath. Then I trebly checked the valve arrangement against the system schematic. This was made slow and somewhat confusing because the component placement and orientation of my schematic differs from how the system is actually coming together. Below is the manifold all sweated together.
With any great luck all the sweated fittings are water tight. Going copper to copper is easy for me. Going from copper to chunky brass and bronze valves has caused problems for me in the past. I've had ball valves `pop' apart into two pieces hitting them with too much heat. They've leaked horribly when not heated enough. So, I made sure to first diligently clean them with a tubing brush, flux, then I hit them pretty hard with heat and used plenty of solder. To keep the PTFE valve liners from melting, I used a wet towel to bring the valve bodies down below 100 C immediately after sweating on the fittings. Only putting this all under city water pressure will I be sure that I did a proper job.
In the back, upper left gloomy portion of that picture I added a ball valve above the drainback tank.
A couple week ago, I sweated and secured the piping in the attic. I've not yet flashed it in and the panels are still just sitting on the roof propped up on bricks. I hope to bring in a buddy from GRID Alternatives to help me rack the panels "real soon now".
Here's a pic of the secured pipes in the attic. The `From Collector' pipe looks like it has a section of it that is not sloped enough to allow drain back. It actually is, but the picture would have you believe otherwise. Until I've run water through these pipes, I'm not going to insulate them. Getting around this cramped attic, with it's live knob and tube wiring and itchy piles of fiberglass is no fun, but with any luck, I'll only have to visit it one more time.
Next move is to cut into the existing cold water supply line, drain the line, add a ball valve and enough tubing to `stub out' the run to the 3-way valve in the above photo. I'll not hook this up until I'm ready to put the storage tank in place against the wall. When this will happen is unknown because I have to wait for my wife and child to `step out' for a bit before I can turn off the house supply. All for now.
With any great luck all the sweated fittings are water tight. Going copper to copper is easy for me. Going from copper to chunky brass and bronze valves has caused problems for me in the past. I've had ball valves `pop' apart into two pieces hitting them with too much heat. They've leaked horribly when not heated enough. So, I made sure to first diligently clean them with a tubing brush, flux, then I hit them pretty hard with heat and used plenty of solder. To keep the PTFE valve liners from melting, I used a wet towel to bring the valve bodies down below 100 C immediately after sweating on the fittings. Only putting this all under city water pressure will I be sure that I did a proper job.
In the back, upper left gloomy portion of that picture I added a ball valve above the drainback tank.
A couple week ago, I sweated and secured the piping in the attic. I've not yet flashed it in and the panels are still just sitting on the roof propped up on bricks. I hope to bring in a buddy from GRID Alternatives to help me rack the panels "real soon now".
Here's a pic of the secured pipes in the attic. The `From Collector' pipe looks like it has a section of it that is not sloped enough to allow drain back. It actually is, but the picture would have you believe otherwise. Until I've run water through these pipes, I'm not going to insulate them. Getting around this cramped attic, with it's live knob and tube wiring and itchy piles of fiberglass is no fun, but with any luck, I'll only have to visit it one more time.
Next move is to cut into the existing cold water supply line, drain the line, add a ball valve and enough tubing to `stub out' the run to the 3-way valve in the above photo. I'll not hook this up until I'm ready to put the storage tank in place against the wall. When this will happen is unknown because I have to wait for my wife and child to `step out' for a bit before I can turn off the house supply. All for now.
Monday, May 14, 2012
Pipes in the Attic
I worked on the system for ~100 minutes today. In that time I managed to puncture the roof with the two pipes that will carry the heat exchange fluid from panels to storage tank. The top pipe pictured below is the return and the bottom one is delivery to the panels. That's Bayview Hill in the background for scale (hehe...).
The spacing of the pipes should work with the Oatey brand flashings that I've purchased. I'm not sure what roofing products I'm going to use to create a sound seal around these pipes yet. It's definitely a bit foolish to put holes in your roof before you have the products you're going to use to seal them. This will motivate me to get those products!
The next two pictures below show the run in the attic at both the point where it penetrates the roof decking and where it comes up from the garage. You can also just barely see the `bell' wire hanging down from the upper pipe in the first picture. This is temperature sensor line that goes to the Steca controller. I plan on running this through the rubber gasket on the Oatey flashing with the return pipe, then running it under the outside pipe insulation.
The next two pictures below show the run in the attic at both the point where it penetrates the roof decking and where it comes up from the garage. You can also just barely see the `bell' wire hanging down from the upper pipe in the first picture. This is temperature sensor line that goes to the Steca controller. I plan on running this through the rubber gasket on the Oatey flashing with the return pipe, then running it under the outside pipe insulation.
The above photo shows, from top to bottom, the 3/4" EMT conduit (future PV?), return and delivery lines. That 10" galvanized stack vents our gas furnace and hot water heater. This attic is very low, full of itchy fiberglass and has knob and tube electrical lines that make an electric fence that I'm forced to limbo around. I can't wait to be done up here!
Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Last Sunday my friend Mauricio and I extended the plumbing for the loop that will cycle distilled water through the panels. We also mounted a piece of 3/4" ply to the framing I built to mount the Steca TR0301U controller. I realized today that perhaps I should have used some kind of dialectric union between the iron pump flange and the copper pipe to avoid galvanic corrosion. Luckily this is easy to add at this point as I haven't sweated anything into the pipe beneath the pump.
That got me online researching what kinds of dialectric unions to purchase. I read many opinions on DIY and plumbing forums that suggested that water temperatures over 160 F can quickly degrade your typical galvanized steel-to-rubber-to-brass union. The hot water loop through the panels should be able to easily achieve those temperatures, so I'm left wondering what to do. So many questions! I have a email in with Solartrope to get resolution on this.
Next to do is hooking up the galvanized steel pipe to the cold and hot water ports on the SunEarth tank. Again, dielectric unions will be required to transition to copper and I have the same issue of running very hot water through the unions. My understanding is that the water in the solar storage tank will very often be scalding and that it's the mixing valve that ultimately modulates the water temperature.
That got me online researching what kinds of dialectric unions to purchase. I read many opinions on DIY and plumbing forums that suggested that water temperatures over 160 F can quickly degrade your typical galvanized steel-to-rubber-to-brass union. The hot water loop through the panels should be able to easily achieve those temperatures, so I'm left wondering what to do. So many questions! I have a email in with Solartrope to get resolution on this.
Next to do is hooking up the galvanized steel pipe to the cold and hot water ports on the SunEarth tank. Again, dielectric unions will be required to transition to copper and I have the same issue of running very hot water through the unions. My understanding is that the water in the solar storage tank will very often be scalding and that it's the mixing valve that ultimately modulates the water temperature.
The panels are still lying on the roof awaiting my purchasing Geocel roof sealant and the right kind of membrane roofing. It's slowly coming together...
Sunday, April 1, 2012
Drainback Tank Mounted
I have mounted the drainback tank although in these pics I had yet to tighten the #6 bolts that hold the 3/4" pipe straps to the aluminum angle brackets that I fashioned. I put a couple lengths of bicycle inner tube between the aluminum angle and the copper 3/4" pipe to prevent galvanic corrosion. Tightened down, the framing, hardware and tank feel pretty solid!
This project is a lot of guesswork. The outlets of the drainback tank hopefully will be situated well for hooking up to the solar storage tank. Running copper from the collector return line to the drainback tank will hopefully avoid the spaghetti of ductwork while maintaining the required slope to achieve effective drainback. Sigh... I do not remember any of the PV systems that I've helped install over the years being this complex.
Next I'll be sweating a ball valve to the collector return line, near the ceiling joists of the garage then connecting the drainback tank inlet to that.
Saturday, March 31, 2012
Situating the Drainback Tank
I scrounged two hours today between car wash-like winter storms and a mexican themed dinner that I was co-cooking for to build a stand for the five gallon SunEarth drainback tank.The stand will have to cope with 70-ish lbs. of water and copper, so I anchored it to the existing hot water heater stand, the wall studs and ceiling joists. It's not going anywhere. The tank itself is a bit strange to mount. It can be seen in the picture as the matte black painted object in the lower right quadrant. The insulated parts do not afford a good attachment point as it would compromise the insulation. The top and bottom tubes I believe offer the best place to clamp it in place, but it will require some burly angle aluminum that I had left over from a Burning Man project and 3/4" plumbing brackets to make it work. I'm not sure how other folks do this. Part of the `fun' of this project is guessing what's required. Is this all to code? I hope so...
Monday, March 26, 2012
From Garage to Attic
Below is a picture of our upstairs bedroom closet, the back wall of which is situated just above our existing hot water heater. Behind that back wall is a space about 12" deep, 30" wide extending from the second floor up into the attic.
I knew from peeking at the space from below that it was a straight, sheltered run from where I had intended putting the solar storage tank to where plumbing and sensor lines would have to dogleg into the attic before the final run to the collectors. Below is my first bashful cut into the wall.
I'd shortly come to realize that the whole wall would have to come down. The 10" galvanized pipe on the left concealed an 8" diameter ceramic chimney that used to vent a wood stove that long ago was removed from the kitchen. It was all perched upon 4" thick disk of cement that was resting on the floorboards. At this point I was just hoping that I'd be able to get all the heavy sections (2' and ~40 lbs. each) of chimney out alone. I knew they were mortared together with brittle mortar, so I started by nibbling through the steel outer tube in a can opening fashion.
The other flue in the wall was for the furnace and water heater. The joy of working on older homes is that you find nasty old anachronisms at every turn - deep strata of lead paint and wonderful products like `Metalbestos'. Metalbestos exists to this day, although I suspect that they changed the insulation. You can have your Mentos! I have my Metalbestos!
Back to the less deadly tubing... I got the steel tube opened and made relatively short work of removing the pipes. For the more stubborn joints, I used a Bosch rotary hammer with a chisel bit which made doing this *way* easier.
To the left is the offending chimney in it's full glory.
Below left is the chimney removed, the space Great Stuff'ed (TM), R13 insulated with the conduit, bell wire (brown, hard to see), and plumbing installed. I used bell hangers for the plumbing to provide space for the foam rubber insulation with which I ultimately insulated the pipe. The conduit I put in because down the road I might want to install photovoltaics on the roof. The bell wire is for the temp sensor at the outlet of the collectors.
The rest of this job was significantly less fun. I drywalled, which I'm terrible at, and then didn't have quite enough time to fully reassemble the trim and floor-to-ceiling shelving. It created some `tension' the following week when the house was back up to full occupancy, but ultimately I got it all finished and we ended up with a closet that was better organized. Whew!
I'm waiting for FastJacks (3"), Oatey flashings, Geocel and peel and stick roofing for mounting the panels, so I've since turned my attention to mounting the five gallon drainback tank in the garage; more hopefully soon!
I knew from peeking at the space from below that it was a straight, sheltered run from where I had intended putting the solar storage tank to where plumbing and sensor lines would have to dogleg into the attic before the final run to the collectors. Below is my first bashful cut into the wall.
I'd shortly come to realize that the whole wall would have to come down. The 10" galvanized pipe on the left concealed an 8" diameter ceramic chimney that used to vent a wood stove that long ago was removed from the kitchen. It was all perched upon 4" thick disk of cement that was resting on the floorboards. At this point I was just hoping that I'd be able to get all the heavy sections (2' and ~40 lbs. each) of chimney out alone. I knew they were mortared together with brittle mortar, so I started by nibbling through the steel outer tube in a can opening fashion.
The other flue in the wall was for the furnace and water heater. The joy of working on older homes is that you find nasty old anachronisms at every turn - deep strata of lead paint and wonderful products like `Metalbestos'. Metalbestos exists to this day, although I suspect that they changed the insulation. You can have your Mentos! I have my Metalbestos!
Back to the less deadly tubing... I got the steel tube opened and made relatively short work of removing the pipes. For the more stubborn joints, I used a Bosch rotary hammer with a chisel bit which made doing this *way* easier.
To the left is the offending chimney in it's full glory.
Below left is the chimney removed, the space Great Stuff'ed (TM), R13 insulated with the conduit, bell wire (brown, hard to see), and plumbing installed. I used bell hangers for the plumbing to provide space for the foam rubber insulation with which I ultimately insulated the pipe. The conduit I put in because down the road I might want to install photovoltaics on the roof. The bell wire is for the temp sensor at the outlet of the collectors.
The rest of this job was significantly less fun. I drywalled, which I'm terrible at, and then didn't have quite enough time to fully reassemble the trim and floor-to-ceiling shelving. It created some `tension' the following week when the house was back up to full occupancy, but ultimately I got it all finished and we ended up with a closet that was better organized. Whew!
I'm waiting for FastJacks (3"), Oatey flashings, Geocel and peel and stick roofing for mounting the panels, so I've since turned my attention to mounting the five gallon drainback tank in the garage; more hopefully soon!
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